7 Questions Christians Must Ask Before Voting For A Mormon
In the current field of candidates, is Mitt Romney the best person qualified to be President, of the United States?
I would answer no for several reasons beginning with his flip, flop, flip again inconsistency and political expediency.
However others may disagree with me and trust Romney and look to his money and say he is our man and is our best candidate. I think Christians can size those things up in different ways. I am thankful that many, many, Evangelicals are waking up to the idea that Huckabee can win and the poll numbers have shown a mega-shift to Huckabee in recent weeks.
I believe Mitt is not the best candidate and he is no more electable than Huckabee anymore.
However, I do not think the above questions are the only questions for me as an Evangelical that I should be asking. If I am asking myself, would Romney be an okay President?, then I might support him but their are real concerns and some risk. You know, the flip, flop, flip, again stuff really does concern me. While attacking Huckabee his tax record is worse than Huckabee although that has not be reported much and Huckabee himself doesn’t attack in his adds like Romney. On taxes, I am orginaly from Arkansas and I have knowledge of the fact that the “Club for Growth” attacks are largely funded by the Steven’s family in Arkansas who were social moderates. I do not think the “Club for Growth” attacks on Huckabee are completely accurate and they paint a picture of Huckabee that is incorrect. I believe the attacks are motivated in part by social moderates who do not like Huckabee’s social conservatism. So I really believe Huckabee is a better candidate far and wide. He will be a true Conservative President across the board if elected.
But there are several other questions that I think Evangelicals should ask before supporting Romney for President or any other Mormon for that high office.
They are these…
#1 Is Mormonism a false cult that decieves people and leads many to hell?
Answer yes!
#2 Is Mormonism evangelistic in that it seeks to grow by making converts to its faith?
Answer yes! It is aggressively evangelistic and successfully as one of the fastest growing cults in our time.
#3 Does Mormonism seek to confuse people by representing itself as a genuine Christian group.
Answer yes! They have spent tons of money on add campaigns for this purpose. I have met many times with Mormon missionaries and their intial talking point is that “we are Christian too”. I have heard at least once or twice Mitt Romney himself represent Mormonism in interviews as a Christian group.
Mornonism has a major agenda to deceive people by describing itself as a Christian denomination. They intentionally make less of their differences. For example, I will take a quote from the news this week regarding something that you have no doubt heard about. This is a response to a question Gov. Huckabee had asked if Mormonism teaches that Jesus and the Devil are brothers. Here is the response by the LDS spokeswoman that has run in almost every article I have read about the controversy over Huckabee’s question.
The two parts that I have underlined represent false teachings of Mormonism that are put in here as if all “other Christians and Paul” believe and taught these too. The phrase, “only begotten in the flesh” sounds fine but Mormonism has a completely different take on it than Christians. They actually teach that Elohim came down and had sex with Mary and that is why Jesus is the ”only begotten”. See my blog page at Pastors4Huckabeeblog.com to read more or find documentation for this.
#4 Would the election of Mitt Romney as President be likely used by Mormons in America and worldwide as a point of reference to ascert that Mormonism is a respectable Christian denomination and would Mormon missionaries use a Romney Presidency to advance their own evangelistic attempts at redifining Mormonism and representing their religion in a good light?
Answer yes! Absolutely, my experience with Mormon missionaries leads me expect them to seek to continue the rouge that Mormonism is really Christian. They would most definitely point to Mitt Romney -especially if he were a popular President with a good family life- and would use Romney as a lifestyle witness for their faith. They could say, “You can have what the President has, here is a book of Mormon, etc.”
#5 Do I believe that the growth of Mormonism worldwide is harmful?
Answer yes! Very, it leads people into spiritual darkness with a counterfeit gospel.
#6 Do I value the souls of men and women boys and girls worldwide over my political concerns?
Answer yes! I love my country very much and am a pashionate conservative, but my countries welfare is only temporal matter. People being deceived and going to Hell is an eternal matter. I believe we should put eternal matters over temporal ones. I cannot in good conscience do anything that I believe would advance a false gospel that would lead others to hell. Therefore I cannot under any conditions vote for a Mormon for President because I believe it would have that undesirable effect.
#7 Do I believe that voting for a Mormon who prays to a false god and a conterfit Christ, would have any access through prayer to the true God, and do I think prayer matters?
I do not believe that a Mormon praying to his god for help or wisdom has any hope for an answer to his prayer. I do think answered prayer matters. To say that answered prayer doesn’t matter is another way of saying that God Himself doesn’t matter. That a President by his own wisdom can make decisions and not be in need of Divine help. This idea is unacceptable to me as well. It is true that we have had Presidents who were lost and did not have their prayers for wisdom and help answered either. This is not to fail to acknowledge that the true God could answer the peoples prayers for their President. But it seems if we can choose between someone who prays to the right God and someone who prays to a false god that cannot hear, we would be wise to choose someone who can pray to the true God and get wisdom and help in time of need. We also must remember that not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is even if they go to a Baptist Church. But if we can see fruit in someones life who is a respectable Christian with a biblical worldview, I would think that he would be a far better choice than anyone else who has no hope of God hearing their prayers unless they themselves repent and get saved first. So I again could not vote for a Mormon.
These are the questions that I ask myself. They are not the same set of questions that many are asking. It is a different matter than asking if I think Romney would make an okay President.
I think that the questions that I have set forth are very, very, important and should be considered by all Christians before voting for a Mormon for President.
Non-Christians and others who do not share my views regarding the values of souls, the reality of heaven and hell, and that do not agree that Mormonism is a false and deceptive cult, will likely dismiss my questions as irrelevant.
There will be those in our post-modern era who will attempt to address my remarks as bigoted and intolerant because they reject absolute truth.
There will be some Christians I feel who will wilt under the peer pressure of the politically correct culture and dismiss my questions as well.
I can testify that as a guest writer on other blogs, that people will call you a bigot and say mean things if you take a stand and actually have the gall to say that you can’t vote for a Mormon for President because of his religion. Our tolerant society is not so tolerant of people with religious convictions.
But for Evangelical Christians who live thoughtfully by their convictions, I address these questions to you for your consideration.
Would you answer the seven questions that I have raised with the same answers as I have? If so, I think we have reached agreement. If not, at least we can understand each other.
For me, I cannot in good conscience vote for a Mormon for President. The implications and ramifications are just too high spiritually. Out of conviction, as a loyal Republican who wouldn’t vote for Hillary for anything, I still would not vote for Mitt Romney if he won the nomination and were running against Hillary. I would vote independent, third party, or not cast a vote. That is how strong I feel about not voting for a Mormon for President.
There are even more reason based in their theology and the belief of some Mormons that Mitt could be the beginning of fulfilled prophecy and that the kingdom will be ruled from Missouri. I have had one Mormon respond to a blog I wrote and said that Mitt will become President according these ideas and that I and nobody else could stop it.
I hope all this at least sheds some light on why I don’t believe that Christians should vote for a Mormon. For more information about what Mormons believe go to the blog page on this site and read the article…
Huckabee Ask, Does Mormonism Teach That Jesus and the Devil Are Brothers?
God bless.
Your fellow bond-servant in Christ,
Sherwood Haisty, Jr.
You believe that God turns a deaf ear to the prayers of those people who do not share your beliefs? Wow! I guess we do have different conceptions of God.
In a moment of extreme hypocrisy you write:
I can testify that as a guest writter on other blogs, that people will call you a bigiot and say mean things if you take a stand and actualy have the gall to say that you can’t vote for a Mormon for President because of his religion. Our tolerant society is not so tolerant of people with religious convictions.
You seem to bemoan the lack of tolerance evidenced in the fact that your religious convictions are met with name-calling and meanness.
Why should you be entitled to the tolerance that you so readily deny to others? Your comments regarding Mormonism do not reflect any degree of tolerance. I suppose that you can say you are just being truthful, so you can say what is manifestly intolerant.
I suggest if you want tolerance of your religious convictions, then you need to demonstrate tolerance of the religious convictions of Mormons and others that disagree with, but tolerate, your theology.
very sad that a man of God would bear false witness and put the success of his churcg above the success of the Nation. You are willing to lie about a candidate and allow a liberal republican to be nominated. A man who repeatedly released violent felons (against the pleas of Christian victims)that went on to rape and murder again. A man who caused taxation misery to hard working Arkansan families. A man who want all Americans to pay for the education of illegal immigrants while many of our own kids can’t go to college. Worst of all, a man who justifies all this in the name of Christ! Sir, you are the worst kind of Christian, putting the success of what you believe above the interests of those around you.
Do you have no trust that God can’t defend Himself from Mormons? If you thing God needs you to pick a poor President to keep Mormons at bay, you believe in a weak God indeed.
Dan,
You have made a very good point and I guess that I need to explain myself here. I do not believe that the popular notion of what tolerance means is correct or helpful. It actualy comes from a post-modern mindset that denies absolute right and wrong.
I agree that I am intolerant by today’s popular standards. You are right to point that out and I agree that I am not tolerant of Mormonism or any other false systems in that I call them wrong. That alone makes me intolerant by today’s politiclay correct definition of tolerance. I am tolerant in that I respect the right of others to disagree with me. I am tolerant in that I respect others freedom and would join together with them to defend our common liberty against enemies of liberty. I am tolerant in that way.
But my point was this, -and you were close to hitting on it I think- I have been called a intolerant for saying someone elses religious views are wrong. In effect, I have been called wrong for saying someone else is wrong. But if you apply the same standard, would that not make the person calling me wrong, wrong too.
I do not hold to tolerance as defined by politicaly correct thinking. I am not post-modern in my thinking. I hold to absolute truth, moral and relgious right and wrong. I do not believe that all religions are equaly valid. So I am intolerant by definition according to politicaly correct thinking. But those who claim to be tolerant by that definition are being intolerant of me yet they still claim to be tolerant. In the name of being tolerant, they are intolerant of my intolerance, which still makes them intolerant. How ironic. I just say I am not tolerant but believe that I am right about my beliefs or else I would change my religion.
to dr ballard,
I do not believe God is week. I believe He is soverign over all things. I also believe that I and we all are personaly responsible for our actions. If more people are decieved by Mormonism because of something that I have done, then I am responsible. That this happened does not make God weak. He is all powerful no matter what we do on earth. I just want to please Him and not do anything that would be hurtful spiritualy to others. Jesus Himself said that, “it would be better if a millstone be hung around your neck than to make one of these little ones stumble.” Heaven and Hell are big deals. If one more person or child for that matter is decieved by the false cult of Mormonism and it is due to something that I have done, it would be tragic in my mind. I stand clearly, firmly, and unapologeticly against the false cult of Mormonism. I honestly believe that it only leads people to Hell. How could I not take a stand agaist it.
Your #7 point on why to not vote for a Mormon is the most un-christian like statement or belief I have ever heard. God won’t hear a Mormons prayer because he is a Mormon. Maybe Mormons should be allowed to serve in the military, or be doctors, or policemen.
The Mormon’s God sure sounds more God-like than yours.
Your #7 point on why to not vote for a Mormon is the most un-christian like statement or belief I have ever heard. God won’t hear a Mormons prayer because he is a Mormon. Maybe Mormons should NOT be allowed to serve in the military, or be doctors, or policemen.
The Mormon’s God sure sounds more God-like than yours.
A quick responce to what was said about #7
I know that God hears and sees everything. This is certainly true. My use of the word “hear” here, is that I do not believe that God has obligated Himself or promised to “listen” to the prayers of anyone who is unsaved.
He has promised to NOT “here” the prayers of the unsaved.
Isaiah 59:2
(2) But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Even if true Christians are in sin and are not repentant, the Bible says that God will not here their prayers as David testified.
Psalms 66:18
(18) If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:
Finally, the only way to have access to the Father is through Jesus the Son.
John 14:6
(6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I take this verse to mean that I will acess to the Father only through the Son of God. I will not get to go to Heaven with the Father or have access to the Father by my prayers unless I go through Jesus.
Now, this is not to single out Mormons alone and I hope that I did not leave that impression. I would say that all unsaved people, have no hope of being “listened to” by God in their prayers. Lost unsaved people are out of fellowship with God and are in a state of rebelion against Him. So God has not promised to “hear” their prayers.
If a lost person repents and trust Christ, and in doing so crys out to God, He will be attentive to that persons prayers. But a lost person is not promised access to God to ask Him for things when that lost person is still in rebelion to the Lordship of Jesus Christ over their life.
If I believe that Mormons actualy follow a conterfit Christ, and are unsaved, then this is why I believe that the prayer of a Mormon would not be “listened to” by God. Just like I would say the prayer would not be “heard” of someone else who believes that they are going through Jesus but they have a different Jesus and they think he is Sun Yung Moon. I do not think that the “Moonies” will have their prayers answered either until they pray to the true God through the one true Christ.
I know that my Mormon friends reading this feel that they are praying to God through Jesus. And I know that many of you will disagree with my belief that they have a different Jesus. The Jesus that I believe in is the second person of the Trinity and He is co-eternal with the Father and the Spirit.
I hope that we might agree that a persons prayers will only be heard if they have access to God through Jesus. Maybe we can agree on that. Then the question simply becomes, do we have the same Jesus? But we both should agree that going through Jesus is a must to have our prayers “heard”.
By your own definition Mormons are saved! Mormon’s not only profess to have a belief in Christ they covenant at their baptism to take the name of Christ as a family name and to try to honor the name of Christ as well as do some of the things that Christ has asked us to do, like help bear one anothers burdens ect. So I guess to all the world you are saved if you profess a belief in Christ, unless you are a Mormon then it doesn’t matter what you do you are not saved.
Wake up to the TRUE REASON behind all the un-Christian like attacks on Mormonism by other Christians is not theology, but money.
The Mormon Church is run by a lay ministry (No paid ministers). Leaders of other Christians churches brain wash their members and whip them into a frenzy against Mormons to protect their salary. Leaders are scared their congregations will ask themselves, “If the Mormons are Christians and their religious leaders are not paid then why are we paying our leaders?”
Who is serving from their heart? He who serves without pay or he who is making a buck from his service? One is charity and duty to God the other is a job!
1 Peter 5:2 “2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the coversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;”
See also:
See Mathhew 10:9
Isaiah 45:13
Sherwood-
I’m disappointed. I’ve yet to receive a response from you on the other blogs.
More than that I’m disappointed that you continue to make statements about Mormonism that are verifiable contrary to their beliefs. Mormons do not believe that Elohim had physical sex with Mary. It’s a fact that they do not believe this. I realize that many anti-Mormon propagandists have claimed they do–they are lying and so are you by reprinting it.
What bothers me most is that you’ve taken inconclusive quotes from Mormon leaders and assigned a certain meaning to them. Then, when Mormons adamantly deny those meanings and say that it means something entirely different, you insist that your interpretation is better than the Mormons’ interpretations of their own beliefs. And you continue to tell people Mormons believe a dogma that no Mormon actually believes. How on earth, hell or heaven is your approach fair? Even if your ego causes you to think you know better than all of the Mormons about what their now-dead leaders meant (requires a tremendous ego indeed), how can it continue to be a valid attack of contemporary Mormonism if actual Mormons simply don’t accept the belief?
If I were on a Mormon blog and I saw this kind of dishonesty being spread about Evangelicals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, Scientologists, etc. I would be just as quick to refute it. Diversity of religion makes America strong. Bigotry and deceit, which is far to common on this site, is harmful to everyone that touches it.
Here’s a history lesson you might find interesting: Back in the 1790’s Episcopalians, Anglicans, Unitarians, etc. found Anabaptist views so strange and dangerous to the souls of men that not only did many use unofficial religious tests for office to keep them out of power and persecute them, but Anabaptists were occasionally lynched. Anabaptist rights, more than any other issue, caused James Madison to write the Bill of Rights and place religion as the 1st right protected. James Madison was Episcopalian.
Slick Willy,
You deserve a thoughtful responce. I agree. I want to take a little time with your points. I pop in and out real quick on my computer and it is hard to respond to emails and blogs honestly. I posted a new post today which was simply a reworked responce to an email. I have been in and out, and right now I am just checking my blog and will have to get back to it latter. Again, I will answer you questions.
As far as Elohim and Mary, though, let me say that as far back maybe over 20 years ago I was first introduced to the teaching that Elohim and Mary were supposed to have had physical realtions with each other. If I remember right, a former Mormon spoke in our church and we all watched a video documentary called “The Godmakers I and then II”. Have you seen these videos? It has been a long time since I saw them. You may feel they are incorrect and to be honest my memory is faint about the details. I do not base my views merely on them but I bring them up to say that if I remember right, former Mormons acknowledge this teaching. That is the point I want to make here. James White has debated this matter extensively and it would be hard for us to debate on this blog better than he and his Mormon counter part has formerly done in a formal debate.
I will get back to you on these other points as well.
Thank you Slick-Willy
by the way, I hope i not blogging with Bill Clinton, Are you? just a little Republican humor
Slick-Willy,
I also can respond real quick to your last point in the last entry. I am aware of persecuton of Ana-Baptist and Baptist. I have studied it and have books on it. Ana-Baptist were drowned because of their views. This was terrible. The Bible, in my estimation does not teach that we should, drown or burn at the stake - as Catholicism and the Church of England has done. I promise, I respect a persons right to believe freely according to the dicates of his or her on concsience. But to dissent from someone elses views and openly disagree is an American freedom that we all should respect. I agree that it should not be done with deception. That is an intergrity issue. You have challanged me that I am being deceptive about Mormonism. I am not. I think you have some good points still that I need to respond to, however. But I think we can agree that we should have the right to disagree and not be labeled un-American for voicing it.
I meant to go to bigots4huckabee.com, but this site will suffice.
If you believe the Godmakers movies then you truely are gullible.
Huckabee is cowardly to rely on this type of bigotry without denouncing it.
Maybe some of you just believe whatever you read about Mormonism, but I can tell you that most of it is certifiably false or deliberately misleading.
I hope you’re making a lot of money with your ministry of spreading lies.
Notice how it says Former members they make things up. The godmakers movies are completely false. I am a lifetime LDS member, we do NOT teach the lies you have stated here.
So the fact that I prayed to a “false god” had no effect on my twin daughter’s being successfully separated in what doctors could only describe as a miracle. Interesting.
You make me sick. Why are you so terrified of people different than you? As a Republican, I pray (although I know God doesn’t listen to me) that my party doesn’t have more people like you in it. Crawl back into the Middle Ages you bigot. It’s sick “Christians” like you who burned our homes and kicked us out of our land multiple times because of your irration fear and hatred. You make me sick.
Sherwood, what’s up with your picture? Are you Wilson from that Home Improvement sitcom?
Also, you are truely a bigot.
Jake,
No, God doesn’t care about your evil twin daughters, or you. That’s what the Bible says!!!
Sherwood,
You need to spend some more time with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. These people are not perfect, but they are more Christian like, loving, and follow the teachings of Christ more than most.
This is sad commentary on your part sir.
Thank you,
Tony
I grew up in the Midwest among this level of bigotry and blindness about the LDS faith. It just shows who wants to know the truth and who wants to remain ignorant. I will say, there are things you will hear we believe and they will sound odd. However, if you truly learn about our beliefs and build up to the topics that are offbase, you will understand why they are believed. Did you start with Algebra or build up to it after learn addition, subtraction, etc? I like to first understand before I disagree.
However, that would mean you would have to actually listen to those boys who come to your door. I have dealt with people like you too much to know you will continually stand behind ignorance. I am fine with it. Those who want to know the truth will go to the source and actually listen.
On #5, are you being serious? Yeah, we have done a lot to ruin this nation/world (TIC). We just serve our neighbors (throughout the world) without any ties or even when nobody knows we are helping them. It really must hurt the world for a religion to teach people to learn of Christ and develop a personal relationship with their Savior. On this topic, the whole idea of us not being Christians is getting old and ridiculous. Try something new that has not been logically or obviously debunked.
There is so much more I can say, but I have a feeling it is falling on deaf ears. I honestly am fine with you following the Savior in your manner. We encourage all to believe the way they feel fit. However, when I hear these words, they are not of Christ.
Thank you.
Please explain the success of the LDS people and the religion as a whole in light of Matthew 7:16 - “…by their fruits ye shall know them…”
Wow,
These last post are pretty pashionate. I do desire to be civil. I have no joy in making anyone sick but your responce was pretty strong don’t you think?
Let me ask my Mormon friends a question. Do you agree with the quotes made by your leaders about historic Christian churches. I posted these quotes on the blog page. The ones I am refering to are repeated here…
Does Mormonism Teach That The Mormon Church Is The Only True Church And That Other Churches Are The Church Of The Devil?
The following quotes show that Mormonism considers all other churches other than “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” as “corrupt”, “wrong”, “of the Devil” and “false”.
Joseph Smith said, “My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, “History of the Church, Vol. 1, page 5-6.)
Brigham Young said, “But He did send His angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong.” (Brigham Young, “Journal of Discourses,” Vol. 2, page 171. - 1855)
The Book of Mormon says, “And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth” (1 Nephi 14:10).
Joseph Fielding Smith said, “Again, following the death of his apostles, apostasy once more set in, and again the saving principles and ordinances of the gospel were changed to suit the conveniences and notions of the people. Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness.” (”Doctrines of Salvation,” page 266.)
Brigham Young said that the “Christian God is the Mormon’s Devil…” (Journal of Discourses, Volume 5, page 331).
John Taylor said that Christianity was “hatched in hell” (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 176) and “a perfect pack of nonsense…the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work…” (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 167).
Bruce R. McConkie said, “What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power?…. It is all of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel…. It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini.” (The Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55.)
Mormonism claims that all other churches including Evangelical Christianity as wrong, corrupt, false, and of the Devil. If Mormonism is correct, then Evangelical Christianity is false and proclaims a false Gospel. However, it is also true that if Evangelical Christianity is correct then Mormonism is wrong. Both have mutually exclusive claims and the differences are irreconcilable.
The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, President, Al Mohler has engaged in an on-line debate and has also written a helpful article on the subject called “The Church of the Devil“.
Now here is a question for my Mormon friends.
Do you consider these quotes as factual?
Do you consider these quotes as frauds?
Do you agree with these statements?
If you do not agree, will you denounce these quotes and denounce the leaders who said them?
If not, will you agree that you are as intollerant of my beliefs as I am of your beliefs?
And lastly, even if yes to this last question, can we agree to be civil and respect each other anyway while still strongly disagreeing with each other?
I say yes to the last one.
I would like to here from you and get your honest views on these questions.
Mr. Haisty-
Thank you for posting this delightfully educational journal. I was raised “mormon” (or LDS as anyone familiar with it knows it as) but have been inactive recently. I have had doubts about my faith and have not attended church recently. Now, I am not sure if reading this will chase me back into church activity, but your bigotry has definitely helped me in my decision to: 1. Pay my tithing; 2. Donate to Romney’s campaign fund; and 3. Donate money to BYU. I had almost forgot what bigotry against me due to the religion I was born into felt like, but you helped me remember. I still cannot understand why “well meaning” people like yourself protest outside of our weddings and church services, but to each their own. Funny that it is, and always has been, only Christians that feel the need to torment me about my beliefs and explain “while you are great people,” that we are inferior. Hopefully the LDS converts out of your church didn’t hurt your wallet too bad. Good luck in your quest to squelch growth of the LDS church, and let me know as soon as you find a Mormon who openly preaches and discriminates against other religions
Are you for real? You have absolutely no business professing to be a Christian, Have you ever been to an LDS Church and attend a service. I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I believe our Heavenly Father listens to all who pray, we are all his children. I have been a member for 64 yrs and have never been told who to vote for or what party to follow. The LDS Church does not get into politics. What are you afraid of, that the LDS Church is true and your out of a job, and have to go back to selling used cars. You have much to learn if you ever want to ever live up to being a Christian. I’m not saying you have to be a Mormon, but come out to some meetings and see for yourself.
Bigot,
Keep spewing out the fear-mongering hatred. Your career must be taking a hit if you have to resort to this crap to keep your job. I hope everyone puts more money in the plate this Sunday because of this great material.
1. “Is Mormonism a false cult that deceives people and leads many to hell?
Answer yes!”
Wow! With that type of Christ-like compassion, I guess I will see you there.
2.So, as a life time Mormon, if God doesn’t hear and answer my prayers, why have I seen and felt so many answers to my prayers?
3. If you wanted to learn the truth about Jews, would you watch Nazi propaganda? And yet you claim to know what Mormons truly believe because you once saw anti-Mormon propaganda (The God Makers, etc.)? The purest water comes from the source. If you want to know what Mormons truly believe, ask one. Until then, don’t presume to know what they think.
Bigot,
nobody cares about your stupid quotes. I’m not going to waste my time reading them. Chances are I’ve heard them all multiple times before. Losers like you will destroy the GOP. Get a life.
Those are all good and true quotes. We do believe that our Church is the true and living Church of Jesus Christ. Therefore, all others are wrong.
However, we do not promote telling obvious lies about others faiths. Where in those quotes was something said that can be proved false?
Nor do we tell others how to vote by spreading lies about their religion.
Albert Mohler’s discussion with Orson Scott Card was actually about something with substance. Our disagreement about the nature of the Godhead. I have no problem with that disagreement, except when they try to say that we don’t really believe in Christ.
Just curious,
Have you read the Book of Mormon from cover to cover?
Thanks,
Tony
You forgot the other quotes. For example and I am paraphrasing, all churchs have good in them, if they teach about Christ and about being better they are good, but they don’t have the whole truth. That is what I have been taught. Do you have any idea the context those other quotes were given in? So no they are not frauds but are they taken out of context most likely. All the LDS claim is that they have the complete truth, all churches have some of the truth.
Willy-
Although the tone of your post is laudable and I agree with the stance you take, I do have to take issue with your contention that “diversity of religion makes America strong”. It is adherence to the truth and to righteousness that makes America strong, not religious diversity. America wouldn’t get stronger by the introduction of additional variations of Satanism. If America were entirely practicing Christian she would be stronger than any nation has ever been.
America IS stronger through diversity of art, and diversity of voice, and diversity of interests, things of this kind, that are expressions of personality and not attempts to express absolute truth. America is NOT stronger by diversity of religion, unless religion is a purely subjective thing. My religion isn’t; it’s about truth. Truth is not really all that diverse. It’s fairly static. If you think about America becoming stronger through diversity of results of multiplication problems you’ll see what I mean. When we’re talking about math, or brain surgery, or the nature of God, I’m not looking for diversity, I’m looking for accuracy. Aren’t you?
Additionally, though it isn’t you that raised this point, I have to say that commenters on this site have a strange interpretation of the word “bigot”. I always thought that a bigot was someone that persecuted someone else out of unreason or prejudice relating to a particular characteristic of the victim, such as race or religion. I don’t see any of that here. Mr. Haisty hasn’t attacked Mitt Romney; he’s just said that he wouldn’t vote for him, and he’s been at pains to explain why his religion REQUIRES him to withhold his vote from someone like Romney. That’s not bigotry. It’s misguided and sad, but it’s not bigoted, and to conflate bigotry with honest (if silly) opinion is to remove the distinction, which is most unhelpful when REAL bigotry makes its way onto the scene, as it routinely does.
I happen to be a Mormon, and I’d vote for Huckabee if I thought he were actually a conservative (he’s not demonstrated this). Fortunately, my religion doesn’t forbid this, nor does it require me to vote for Romney, which is nice, because I wouldn’t want to do that, either. Just FYI.
Cheers.
Does Mormonism Teach That The Mormon Church Is The Only True Church
Yes they do.
And That Other Churches Are The Church Of The Devil?
No they don’t.
Joseph said that God told him the CREEDS are an abomination, not the churches.
There is a big difference between feeling that some of the doctrine within other churches is false (much like the protestants like your self felt had happened to the Catholic church during the reformation) … and saying that other churches are ‘of the devil’ and 100% evil.
While McConkie (i’m glad to see at least one of your quotes is from the 1900s) sees evil everywhere … i don’t think he sees everyone else as ENTIRELY evil. Mormons see their doctrine as whole and complete. there is falsehood in every doctrine, therefore that is not complete … but also means that there are parts of the truth everywhere as well … and that is what you will hear about far more at Mormon churches … the idea that like Joseph Smith said (and as our modern leaders repeat) ‘bring all the truth that you have and see if we can’t add to it.’
Is it not logical for there to be only one true Church? I know this goes against all political correctness, but why would Christ have different teachings all over? Remember, “a house divided cannot stand.” Either the apostasy happened as foretold in the Bible and it needed to be restored with the same organization as before (Prophets, Apostles, etc.), or it never was taken from the Earth and the Catholic faith is true. Even the founders of many of the Christian faiths today were not out to start new Churches, but to find the truth. Many (John Calvin and Robin Williams to name two) were quoted as waiting for the Lord to bring back prophets and apostles.
Now, saying this, I have never sat down and ripped on any religion, Christian or non-Christian, my whole life. I actually grew up going to Bible school in Baptist and Catholic churches. I really enjoyed them and it increased my faith. My friends not of my faith know I respect their beliefs and NEVER tear them down. They know how I feel about many topics, this being one of them. They understand, from a logical perspective, why I believe in the things I do.
I am so grateful to know revelation is on this Earth and it is not only meant for those of my faith. I have had my prayers answered and I have friends not of my faith who have had theirs, too. The Lord loves all, even non-Christian. I am grateful for those who the Lord has put in my path (again, of my faith and not of my faith) to help me learn the Gospel of the Savior.
Thank you for giving me an opportunity to feel even stronger in my convictions. I need to log off now (end of day), but I encourage you to REALLY think about what you have said and REALLY listen to those young men/women who spend 1.5 - 2 years of their life serving the Lord 100%. If you do not want to believe or just do not believe in it - fine. Just do not throw out twisted truths and falsehoods. Just live your life and all will be right in the end. I have heard everything you have and could say before. But, know this, I KNOW my beliefs. I have tested them (probably too much :)) and they have always come back in the positive. But, what does it really do to go back and forth. If you want to really learn, you will. If not, you will not.
As a Mormon, here is my response to this.
1. LDS church does proselytize. I agree. That’s obvious. Nearly all religions do in one form or another. Jesus commanded us to do so. And logically, if you believe something and it brings you joy, you have a natural inclination to want to share that with others.
I also understand you believe my religion is false. But I don’t agree with the concept that spreading of LDS religion or any other religion is a bad thing. Nearly all religions teach some form of charity, obedience, faith, and global conscience. This is never a bad thing. All religions bring people closer to Christ in teaching these things. You shouldn’t feel like the spreading of Mormonism is a threat to humanity. I don’t believe that the spreading of non-Mormon faiths as being a threat to humanity.
2. I’m really sick of someone telling my how I believe. I don’t believe Elohim had sex with Mary. It’s not in any LDS scripture. It’s not taught by the living prophet and apostles of the LDS church. If you want to know what a Mormon believes, ask him, but you better be humble enough to accept their answers at face value. Don’t go trying to dig up non-binding, non-authoritative, esoteric statements made by LDS leaders and shove them in my face. I challenge you to sit through all eight hours of the next LDS general conference meeting and find two sentences on any doctrinal statements on Christ, the nature of God, the Holy Ghost, faith, repentance, grace, revelation, heaven/hell, etc. which as an evangelical Christian you don’t agree with. But it might be troubling for you, as you might have to give up some of these beliefs you have that Mormons are evil, which comfort you somehow.
3. The notion that you answer for God in what prayers he will hear and answer is despicable. Are you going to tell a little Chinese boy that his prayer is not answered because he’s not an Evangelical Christian? I believe in a God who hears all his children’s prayers, no matter the religion, and is faithful and answers them. You are in danger of what Jesus criticized the Pharisees for in Matthew 23:13. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.”
“Mormonism claims that all other churches including Evangelical Christianity as wrong, corrupt, false, and of the Devil. If Mormonism is correct, then Evangelical Christianity is false and proclaims a false Gospel. However, it is also true that if Evangelical Christianity is correct then Mormonism is wrong. Both have mutually exclusive claims and the differences are irreconcilable.”
The Mormon church does **gasp** believe it self to be the only true Church of Jesus Christ, but this belief is simply no different than Christians who believe Christianity to be the only true religion. Really, what is the difference? The difference between Mormons and Christians such as yourself is that Mormons value the faith of everyone. For Christians, any one who is a non-christian is unworthy of salvation, regardless of faith, sincerity or the kind of life that person leads. Mormons believe that we will all be judged according to the light we have received. While we believe that we have the fullness of the gospel, this does not make the faith of others any less sincere and we believe they will be blessed for it. God will draw near to those who draw near to him. Regardless of religion. Mormons don’t try to rob or destroy the faith of anyone, we simply try to add to it.
Let me propose a simple logical test for you. Suppose there is a man, a Sherpa, living in Nepal hundreds of years ago. He is a good man, loves his family, and is an honest and benevolent father and neighbor. By every measurable category his is Christ-like. However, this man has never accepted Christ because, in his time and place, such knowledge was unavailable. Is this man saved? On the one hand, he has led and honest and Christ-like life, but on the other, he has never accepted Christ and therefore does not qualify for salvation, by your own criteria. Will you be the man to condemn him to hell?
It is the unspoken paradox of Christianity. If he is allowed into Heaven, than one need not accept Christ, only lead a good life, to get into Heaven. If he is not allowed into Heaven, than God is a hypocrite who claims to love his Children and yet condemns the vast majority of them to hell because they had the audacity to be born in a time and place where Christianity was not available.
Of course for Mormons, we don’t see a paradox. We believe that he will be blessed for his honesty and goodness in this life and receive an opportunity to accept Christ after death. I have never heard a viable answer to the Christian Paradox and I would love to hear your thoughts.
Wow! Look Adolf, I’d like to know how much you receive from your congregation? Last I checked the Bible taught to take not thought of purse. Hmm I’m guessing you’re afraid your job security is waining. You’re making references about a religion you know nothing about based on an anti movie you watched 20 years ago? Wow! I am not dumber for reading your comments.
Bravo! I will never vote for a mormon, they all make me sick! Mormons, you are all going to HELL!!! Have fun down there, Ill be laughing at you while enjoying my mansion in heaven. HAHA, suckers!
Interesting. I have Baptists and other evangelical friends that sound a lot like you. It just struck me while reading your article–you all make me more than just a little sick to my stomach. You truly are the most un-Christian “Christians” I’ve ever met. “By their fruits, ye shall know them.” Perhaps is all your religious study, you focus a little more closely on that central precept.
How ironic is this?
from Steve: “If you want to hear what your church is really teaching why dont you come and listen to pastor Haisty some time. He will teach you what is not taught at you stupid mormon “church”.”
To find out what my church is “really” teaching, I must go to pastor Haisty instead of hearing it at my own church. Where is this super secret stuff being taught? I’ve yet to encounter it.
I can live my entire life in the LDS church, serve a mission, spend hours every week for decades in church service, serve in LDS local leadership, teach lessons and give sermons in LDS church, read Bible, Book of Mormon, and dozens and dozens of LDS doctrinal commentary books, and never come across a doctrine that my church believes in? Yet with one visit to Pastor Haisty, he can illuminate this for me? That is very odd to me.
Great,
I will believe your pastor who knows nothing about the LDS church except for the lies in movies made by anti-LDS people, and I won’t believe what has really been taught to me for years in the actual church. I hope you catch the sarcasim. You make no sense whatsoever. Would you believe a video make by athiests about your church. I hope not. Go to LDS.org to learn what the church really teaches.
“They actually teach that Elohim came down and had sex with Mary and that is why Jesus is the ‘only begotten’.”
This statement is patently false and is based on incorrect assumptions. I am a life long member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. I have never heard this crazy idea until a couple of days ago. All I can say is, “Wow.”
Shouldn’t your pastor teach you how to come closer to God instead of how evil LDS people are. I know in my church we watch videos about Christ not about anti-religious lies put out by hate-mongers. If you go to a LDS church you will not hear anything about how bad everybody elses religion is you will learn how to come closer to God and Jesus Christ.
Let’s start with where we most certainly agree. There was a falling away/apostasy from the Church established by Jesus Christ’s Apostles that began with their deaths/exile. You’re not Catholic so we’re already on the same page here.
As a result of this falling away, the organization, pure doctrine, etc. was lost and the world was devoid of Christ’s church in its purest form. There were writings, but the Bible didn’t even BEGIN to receive its current form until the Synod of Hippo in 393 AD. What was included in the Holy Bible was actually decided by votes of men who were already vicim to probably 350 years of changes to the true and pure understanding of Christ’s gospel. Without question this affected the decision of what is considered holy writ and what is not. Again, why aren’t you Catholic if you believe that those men in attendance and the several synods voted in accordance with God’s will?
The Holy Bible will continued to be read by me everyday looking for spiritual insights and inspiration, but with the understanding that men have created, through ignorant votes and deficient translations, an imperfect book of scripture.
Fast forward now 1400 years or so. Hundreds of Christian churches have split away from the Church in Rome. You have millions of Christians doing the best they can to do God’s will with what they had. Misunderstanding and rivalry between the different Christian sects was rampant. And then a 14 year old boy put James 1:5-6 to the test.
And what was the answer to his prayer. You say it was that all professed Christian churches are “of the devil”. No, what was said was that they were an abomination, which means, “an object of intense disapproval”. It doesn’t mean that they taught nothing of Christ’s teachings. Of course they did and continue to do. But the fulness of the gospel understanding had been lost long before and had to be restored. God could not approve a church’s claim that they had the way to salvation when they didn’t even know all the instructions.
The most beautiful teaching of the LDS church is that God restored, not man reformed. We attribute all to God in the creation of the LDS church. Every other non-Catholic christian church in the world can only attribute their church’s creation to a theology degree and/or a different (”better”) understanding of the Bible.
I am happy you are a staunch believer in Christ. It is the first step in our desired return to God, our Heavenly Father. I hope my little posting has given you a better sense for what members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints truly believe. You never have to convert, but you should have a proper understanding of another’s beliefs before you condemn them. I hope you will be able to have a greater sense of love to your fellow men, leave bigotry behind, and do much good in the world.
Hoosier
Well greg,
Now you know! Strange isnt it?
That’s funny that it will allow two different posters to post under the same name. That wasn’t me by the way.
Ex-Mormons are the best source of doctrine. Please continue to find them and spread the word.
Steve,
Are you limiting God, in what he could or could not do? We do not preach how Mary became pregnant, but we do not put limits on God, and simply state that everything is magical.
Besides, is the concept of God not having a tangible body also not strange, that he and the Holy Ghost and Jesus are one?
Every faith has strange or interesting beliefs.
The Mormons believe in a Perfect God, and they do not place limits on him.
Yes do that and we will continue to find God and Jesus and spread good throughout the world.
I’m looking to by a Ford truck. Anyone know of a good Chevy dealership to go to? They should give me an unbiased evaluation of the F-150, right?
Believing in God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost makes you a satan worshipper. Repent Mormons!!!
I cannot support Mike Huckabee because he is a Democrat in sheep’s clothing on issues of taxation, spending, ethics, crime, foreign policy and religious liberty. Plus, he is an obvious liar on the “Christian leader” issue. Whenever he gets called on his bigoted anti-Mormon campaign strategy he says, “Gee I just don’t know much about Romney’s Mormon religion.” This from a Bible school graduate who worked for 20 years as a Baptist minister in the Bible belt? Wasn’t he paying attention at the Baptist convention he spoke at in Salt Lake City where the whole theme seemed to be “saving” Mormons? Hasn’t he read any of the anti-Mormon literature he was given at that convention (and others)? Hasn’t he ever preached a sermon warning his congregation of the evils of Mormonism? Hasn’t he ever visited your web site? Maybe he’s not a liar…He could just be stupid and ignorant. What do you think? Either way, we deserve better in a president.
“LSD guy,
Yeah, Pastor will tell you what you will not learn in church. Have you seen god makers? I have heard pastor say it many times at church, mormons are the spawn of the devil and doing his work. You are mad because he has pastor has exposed you for what you really are. Frauds and liars bent upon destryoing all that is good!! I see you for what you really are and am not afraid to say it.
God have mercy upon your evil hateful soul.”
No, I’m not mad at you for exposing who I am. If you see what I am or what I believe and you hate me for that, then that is your right. That’s not the LDS style, but I can see where you’re coming from in that you believe incorrect doctrine about God is evil. What I really don’t like is non-LDS telling me what LDS believe.
Steve. It would be strange if it were part of the doctrine of the LDS church. It isn’t.
I’m losing track of who are the “real” evangelicals and pastors and who are the “fakes”. Or maybe the problem is with my premise that there is such a thing as a non-fake evangelical.
Wow pastor, quite the Christian stance. Being the judge and all.
Wow, pastor, you just made my day. I laughed for 10 minutes after reading your post. I especially liked point number seven, that God will not answer the prayers of Mormons. It’s been years since I’ve talked to someone so narrow minded and bigoted. Thank you for reminding me what it was like. It’s amazing that someone who preaches so much love and peace could spew forth such bull excrement. The really amazing part is that with a title like “pastor” it would imply you were leading a congregation somewhere. That troubles me deeply.
I have an idea. Kneel down tonight and ask God sincerely if these points you have made on this website are true. You might be surprised at how you feel.
I don’t know about you, but I cannot wait until Christ comes again and all of these hateful, misunderstanding people will see Christ and know his true gospel. Won’t they be shocked to see that the Book of Mormon is true? I cannot wait! I hope He comes soon…
A vote for Huck is a vote for a liberal.
And we know current liberalism is of the devil
Sorry to have to break this to you . . . .
But God is a Mormon.
Dash-
I believe diversity of religion absolutely makes America stronger. How many people have a steadfast belief in Christ where diversity of religion is limited? You’ll quickly find that nations who have not had a real diversity over the last several centuries have little faith and those blessed with diverse religious options have much greater faith. I think Mitt’s speech spoke to this–people of all faiths can learn from each other. Most faiths have some virtue other faiths could benefit from. Maybe the “virtue” isn’t a doctrine, but a method.
Do you find the commitment of Jews remarkable? Do you find the personal way Evangelicals pray to God inspiring? Do you find the humanitarian efforts of the Salvation Army wonderful? I’m not saying your faith doesn’t have some or all of these attributes. I’m saying you can find wonderful things that make America better from many different faiths.
Now, I don’t want to get into the philosophical implications of truth. Suffice it to say that I do believe in transcendental truth, as you obviously do, but I believe I find truth when it’s indicated through evidence or when I feel the Lord touch my heart and tell me. The problem with truth is that every religion thinks they have it and the religions don’t agree. Only with diversity of faith are we protected from having our religion stripped from us… until Christ returns anyway.
Obviously, evil institutions (Satan Worship) do not fit into my views of religious diversity. I agree, they don’t help America. But allowing each American to choose his religion and worship as he pleases creates religious diversity and betters America.
Maybe you should learn proper grammar and spelling before you publish such ridiculous posts. People might actually take you a bit more seriously. If your definition of a “Christian” is someone who accepts Christ, than why wouldn’t a Mormon be considered a Christian- because their “idea” of Christ differs from yours? I should probably point out that the real name of the “Mormon” church is in fact, The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. That sounds pretty Christian to me. Also, what are you doing to save people from hell if you preach such blatant intolerance? Was it not Christ himself who said, “Love your neighbor as yourself?” Maybe you should read about the Pharisees- you might identify with their belied system.
I have just droped in to see how the responces are going. I am amazed at how many there are. Some of the responces by both Mormons and non-Mormons who are perhaps Evangelical Christians have been thoughtful. Some have crossed a line in tone and harshness. I think that some of my own Evangelical brothers have crossed a line in harsh tones as well as some of our LDS friends. I can only ask that we all try to generate more LIGHT than HEAT. I know you all feel strong about what your saying and I know I have ruffeled a lot of feathers myself, but in the name of the Lord Jesus that we each claim to follow, let us try to be kind and tender hearted to one another. I know some will feel that I have failed at this myself and will be tempted to say, “Who are you to say that.” If you feel that way I understand. Perhaps you are right, but we should all remember that two wrongs don’t make a right. We can all disagree without being so harsh at least when we address someone else who has blogged.
Dude, you told me I’m going to hell. Thanks.
Mr Haisty,
While I disagree with your message, I agree with your short message above. Hopefully we can all overcome any feelings of animosity and seek to find the good of our friends of other faiths. The majority of my friends are evangelical and I see the light of Christ shining through their actions. As a member of the LDS church, I hope they feel the same about me.
Perhaps a result of our discussions above can be an increased understanding of other faiths and beliefs. I know that some of the above mentioned information about the LDS church is not true. Hopefully a more accurate understanding has been gained, both by Evangelicals and Mormons alike. Further dialog can only be good.
I asked this question on another part of the forum. Perhaps Sherwood could answer my question. I would like a list of religions that tells me who is false and sending their members to hell.
Something like:
Jews- false, going to hell
Baptists- true, hang on for the ride to paradise
Catholics- false, get out the fire truck
Evangelicals- true, basking in the light
Mormons- false, listening to hell’s bells
Lutherans- ?
etc..
Let’s get is out in the open. Don’t hide under a bush, let’s get this light and knowledge to the people.
The Lord never has and never will leave his children to wander out in the cold. He loves us and he has given us the road map home to his loving care. Any who are serious about knowing our Lord’s plan need look no further than Isaiah 29. Wherin he outlines the great apostacy and how he intends to bring about the restoration of ALL things. Isaiah fortold of the destruction of Jerulalem (Ariel-or a place of sacrefice) He said that they would be brought down and there would be some who would become “strangers” and their voices would come forth as a familiar spirit from the dust or ground.(vs 1-7)
He fortold of the great apostacy wherin the people would become drunken but not with wine, they would stagger but not with strong drink. He further clarified these words wehn he called it a “deep sleep and (The Lord)hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.”(vs 8-10) He fortold of the coming forth of a great book that was sealed which the “learned” could not read, but would be delivered to the unlearned.(vs 11-12) He further clarified the state of affairs in the world when he spoke of the many teachings becoming the “precept of men.”(vs 13) Then in a beautiful prophecy Isaiah told us that the Lord would procede to do a “marvellous work and a wonder” to bring about this great event wherin “the wisdom of their wise men shall perish.”
Brother Haisty, YOU are a wise man, but you are teaching YOUR precepts of men. You are not a prophet, yet you condem the words of the living prophet. By what authority do you do this? Your own? A group of men preaching their precepts? This is not God’s way. This is NOT the way our Savior set up his church. He set it up with Apostles and Prophets with “Jesus Christ himself as the chief cornerstone.” (Ephesians 2:20) Where is this church? Where is this “one Lord, one faith, one baptism” spoken of in Ephesians 4:5? Were are your apostles and prophets? Where is YOUR fullness of the gospel? I see your precepts, but I do not see the Church Jesus Christ set up in yours. You are our brother and we love you as such. If you choose to follow your rainbow fine. All we ask is that you allow us that same graciousness without fear of persecution and hatred. It has always been the same. There are always the MULTITUDES willing to cast their stones at the prophets. How was Moses received? Isaiah? How about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ himself? Noah was mocked and criticised for only trying to offer a life boat in the storm of evil. People changed their minds a little too late.
Why is is that the forbearers of your religion are charged with the mob murder of our Prophet Joseph Smith? Do you justify murder of peaceful people in the name of God? How do you justify chasing thousands of my forbearers, men, women and children from their homes in the dead of winter with their bleeding feet wrapped in bloody rags to keep from further tearing the flesh from their feet? Where is your justification for the creation of an EXTERMINATION ORDER on my people just because they chose to partake of the freedoms of our country: because we chose to believe in a God who loves his children enough to provide a living prophet? Why was my great-great uncle buried at sea because he died at sea just days after the birth of my grandfather while his mother clung on to the tiny thread of life, retching into a bucket unable to even suckle her newborn? Why did that group of American citizens have to flee their homes on a cargo ship for 6 months while straining the slime in the only drinking water through their teeth? Why did they eat moldy and wormy seabiscuits? Why is the Mormon Trail riddled with headstones and the unmarked graves of my people? Because of religious biggots. Because of those who would force others to believe as they do!
How tragically ironic is it that the very same New York Harbor which bid farewell to some 450 religious refugees was receiving daily shiploads of the same, who were escaping religious bigotry from their “Mother Country” No my brother, you have MUCH MUCH more to explain than do I. How could anyone vote in an evangelical minister in good concience? Easy. By his fruits shall WE judge them. If they are a good person I would vote for him. I am not a biggot. I love all of my brothers and sisters even though we may disagree on points of religion. I would vote for a Catholic, a protestant, a Jew, muslum or Native American just as easily as any other if He or she were a good person and showed me “good fruits”.
7 Questions answered…
Pastor -
Do you love the Lord? I am LDS, and I’m sure you do love the Lord. I also believe that He will bless you for any and all good that you do, because He is gracious and kind — and all of us fall short of His glory.
It appears that a good part of your ignorance of LDS belief comes from the movie “The Godmakers” and tracts cut from the same cloth. Have you ever examined that source?
When “The Godmakers” first came out, the Anti-Defamation League (ordinary Catholics/Protestants/Jews/LDS citizens)in Arizona met with its producers and with several LDS representatives.
Its board of directors published a report that documented the many inaccuracies in doctrine in “The Godmakers.” The Board also noted that the Jewish members were most troubled by the smear tactics used by “The Godmakers” because it reminded them of Hitler’s Gestapo, and the smear campaign began before the Gestapo started kicking in Jewish doors and carting them off in the middle of the night.
By their fruits?
If you contact LDS Church headquarters and ask for a copy of this Protestant/Catholic/Jewish report, perhaps it would help you evaluate the smearing Gestapo-like tactics used by “The Godmakers.” To make sure you understand the point, the report was not written by LDS members, but by Catholic, Protestant and Jewish citizens in Arizona.
You’ll also find that LDS Church headquarters will give you the report FREE of charge. There is no paid ministry.
My own father served in the LDS Church for over 60 years, and never received a thin dime for any of his service. Not for funerals, baptisms, weddings, preaching, visiting the sick — no filthy lucre, to “pay” for serving the Lord.
Can you say the same?
Is the reason that you, and other supposed believers in Christ, feel threatened by Mormons is because you fear that your collection plate will be lessened if some of your flock joins a church where the ministers love the Lord so much that they serve for FREE?
Do you love the Lord enough that you would serve for FREE? Enough that you would find a regular job like other regular members in your flock, so that any contributions they make will go to the poor?
If you love the Lord enough that you’d serve Him for FREE, what’s stopping you?
I know a number of Protestants who have a lay ministry, where the preachers and teachers and choir leaders do not earn any money for their service. It isn’t just the LDS Church that has a lay ministry.
Is that the real reason behind your smear campaign? That you fear the loss of dollar income?
If you receive a copy of the Anti-Defamation League report on the producers of “The Godmakers,” you’ll find that its Board asked the producers to cease the intolerance and the lies — because the communities in Arizona need all people of faith pulling together.
In case you haven’t noticed, there is great evil in the world that is impacted our families and our children. People of faith are outnumbered.
Why not put down your hatchet, and work together in tolerance and love on the real problems of evil that beset us? If you don’t like my concept of faith, God, heaven or hell, no one is forcing you to accept it — any more than Catholics force you to believe their theology.
You and I have far more in common than you realize, but you need to put down the hatchet.
Your comment that God will not answer a Mormon’s prayers are ridiculous. Many Mormons, like other people of faith, have received answers to prayer. You have no business or place in attacking those answers to prayer, because they are sacred.
If you don’t show tolerance to someone who has a different belief than you, how loud will you yell when the secular society does the same to you?
All people of faith need to unite together, to deal with the deadly problems of the secular world. Our children and grandchildren will suffer, if people of faith do not work together — again, because we are all out numbered.
Ed,
I just have a moment, but I see you really do want a list of groups who I believe would be people who are going to hell.
Okay, it would be a lot easier and quicker for me to give you the opposite though and so for staters maybe this will answer the question.
I believe that everyone on earth is born deserving to go to hell because of an inherited sin nature from Adam.
Second, I do not believe that their is any religion, I mean ANY religion that a person can practice and serve God from and get to heaven. That means Mormons and Southern Baptist and everyone else.
Third, I believe that only the elect are saved, and that soley by the grace of God whereby He calls them unto Himself, draws them, opens their heart, gives them the new birth of regerneration which produces true conversion by repentance and faith in the true authentic Jesus Christ represented only in the pages of the Holy Bible (not any other so called revelation of any one else).
I believe that those are the elect, the saved, and they can be found in different churches across the land. The Lord saves people out of every group, every nationality, he saves them out every kind of religion true and false. I have know Baptist who thought they were saved only to latter truely get saved. I have pastored others like a Jewish man who got truly saved only to have his family exclude him. I have been to school and had friends with Catholics, and Mormons who all had gotten truely saved.
I believe you can get saved if your not already. But it is the Jesus of the Bible that will save you.
Now as far as what groups teach the Gospel, which is the correct message of salvation, that is a different matter.
I would say that not even all Evangelicals preach a pure Gospel. Certainly other religions that make no claim of preaching the Gospel are going to proclaim it. If Mormonism teaches a false Gospel - then I believe it does - then a person would have to be exposed to the true Gospel from another source than Mormonism to find salvation. The same is true for anyone who preaches a different Gospel than the one in the Bible.
As a matter of fact, if anyone, including an angel - say even Moroni- preaches a different Gospel than Paul preached, let him be accursed. The Greek word for accursed is “anathama” which means to be damned to hell. Please read this short passage.
Galatians 1:6-10
(6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
(7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
(8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
(9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(10) For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
If anyone preaches a different Gospel than Paul, then he is damned to hell.
If the Mormon doctrines offer new teaching then they are lies that will damn to hell.
If Mormon doctrines offer nothing new, then they are redundant. Just stick with the Bible because there is nothing new in the book of Mormon anyway.
The truth is, there are some things new and different in the book of Mormon. Big differnence. And if it is new, then it is not true. It is a false Gospel because it is different than the one Paul preached even if an angel is the one who was supposed to tell Joseph Smith where to find it.
The interesting thing about recently reported discussions of Huckabee’s extensive theology training is the fact that he keeps claiming (falsely) that he knows little about Mitt Romney’s religion. In all Huckabee’s study of religion, did he never take a comparative religion class? Did he never read a book about Mormonism? At all the religious conferences he attended, including the Baptist convention in Salt Lake City, did he never hear speeches about Mormonism? What did he do with all the rabidly anti-Mormon literature he has received over the years? In his years as a preacher did he never prepare and deliver a sermon on the so-called evils of Mormonism? Hasn’t he checked out this web site? Hasn’t he done any opposition research on Romney? OR IS HUCKABEE JUST ANOTHER LYING POLITICIAN?
Huckabee’s whole campaign is dependent on his support from evangelical ministers. Take a look at this web site. They are anti-Mormons bigots who love to debate doctrine and who would never vote for any Mormon. Huckabee’s phony claims of ignorance and tolerance are belied by the intolerance of his most crucial supporters. We will never see Huckabee condemn the extreme anti-Mormon rhetoric of these pastors because they are doing his work so well. His stealth anti-Mormon campaign as a self-proclaimed “Christian leader” depends on their open bigotry being spread to their congregations.
Does any pastor on this site really believe Huckabee when he says he’s ignorant of Romney’s faith? How about a straight answer, huh?
If Huckabee really believes (as he publicly states) that Romney’s faith is no reason to vote against him, why do “Christian” pastors on this site disagree with their leader? Is he wrong or just lying again? I guess pastors know Huckabee’s tolerance is just a necessary facade for public consumption. Huckabee doesn’t really believe it any more than the pastors on this site.
I guess these pastors think it’s ok for Huckabee to lie because the end justifies the means, right? I just wonder what else Huckabee is willing to lie about to get elected.
Pastor,
You are very ignorant if yout think all of God’s truth is in the bible. If you think all of “Paul’s” gospel is in the bible, you are an idiot.
Later.
BTW,
Your translation of the bible is terrible. Think a little bit more in the future.
Here’s one of my favorite Book of Mormom scriptures:
Moroni 10:32 Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.
And on charity:
Moroni 7: 48 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, pray unto the Father with all the energy of heart, that ye may be filled with this love, which he hath bestowed upon all who are true followers of his Son, Jesus Christ; that ye may become the sons of God; that when he shall appear we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is; that we may have this hope; that we may be purified even as he is pure
And on Christ:
11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.
12 And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities.
Beavis,
My translation that I check to know for sure about a passage is the Greek New Testament.
And if you say it is corrupt, I will say that you are as guilty as the Serpent in the garden who again brought doubt on the Word of God when he said, “Hath God said?”
I honestly believe that Mormons buy into the first two lies of the Devil.
Yea, hath God said…
and
ye shall be as gods
Genesis 3:1-5
(1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman,
Yea, hath God said,
Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
(2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
(3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods,
knowing good and evil.
Mormonism tears down confidence in the true Bible, and then assalts its authority by adding the teachings and traditions of a mere man named Josheph Smith. His teachings and the Mormons dependence on the Mormon books makes the Bible -the true Word of God- of none effect.
Mark 7:13
(13) Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Mormonism actually tears down confidence in the Bible as your own comments reveal. It again is the first part of Satans lie. When Jesus was making His statement in Mark 7:13, He was not calling the Book of Mormon the word of God. But you add to the word of God with the Mormon books.
Jesus also warned about following man’s teachings or traditions that will spoil you…
Colossians 2:8
(8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the wor